that will affect the economy. it is a big cost to the consumer. >> ben, it seems tough that we are asked to pay so much higher in electricity costs in a time when the country is trying to struggle out of the abyss that it is in. >> there is no cost to high to save the earth. the really problem is do we know it is hurting the earth. the scientist are not 100 percent unanimous. despite what they tell us. the signs are not clear on this. just don't think we should go all out on this. >> adam, getting rid of 43,000 megawataugas of power and replace it with what? >> just having come back from china where the air is disgusting, i am glad to live where the air is cleaner, we have not had a increase in electricity demand for five years. it is more about the economy. >> but prices are up and you mentioned we haven't had demand. imagine what happens, adam, what happens when we take 280 coal fire plants off line. what happens to our bills? >> our bills will go up if we don't put anything else on line. >> that is the natural